VanDamselx · Jul 25, 2007, 09:23 PM // 21:23

When it comes to weapons what do you consider "perfect"? Is it 15^50 Health +30 Sundering 20/20 or is it something with a max inherent mod with max mods? I am just curious because I had a bit of a disagreement with someone.

Commander Ryker · Jul 25, 2007, 09:39 PM // 21:39

I think pretty much everyone has a different idea about perfect and it also depends on the weapon. What's perfect on a sword won't be on a bow and so on.

jrk247 · Jul 25, 2007, 10:28 PM // 22:28

Well perfect weapons are generally req. 9 (or less) 15^50 20/20 +30, but there are "perfect" caster weapons where the req. doesn't matter Ex: req. 7-13 +5 energy +20% enchantments.

So if it's a normal weapon you are trying to sell, req. 9 15^50 20/20 +30 is perfect, even though sundering sucks and people know it they still sell weapons with it (I guess it's just a bad habit).

IMO any req. (as long as I meet it) and 15^50 has me sold on a weapon. +30 isn't that hard to buy and the only thing it's pricey on is swords and swords suck so

. And sundering is just crap unless it's on something like a horn bow.

Mournblade · Jul 25, 2007, 10:41 PM // 22:41

If you're talking about selling something, then 'perfect' is what everyone has explained - highest stats and lowest req you can get on the item. If you are talking about perfect in a useage situation, then perfect depends on the situation.

Stormlord Alex · Jul 25, 2007, 10:45 PM // 22:45

I consider perfection to be a clean headshot and a perfectly timed active reload.

Oh... you mean in GW?

Whatever I need for my build.
The masses may consider 20/20 15^50 +30 'perfect', but the masses are mending wammos as well...

Malice Black · Jul 25, 2007, 10:47 PM // 22:47

In trade terms, this is perfect:

Max damage
Req7 (lowest req with max dmg available)
15% no negative condition

However, req7 no negs don't exist to my knowledge. Closet available is a req8, which is customized on a dead account.

Anything besides what is stated above is sub-par and totally beyond the reaches of most GW players as such items would hit 10-15 million.

Most your average players would consider this perfect

req8 15^50 20/20 +30hp

Of course there is those that will disagree with me, some don't care about stats, some will disagree just for the sake of arguing etc

Ghengis Kwell · Jul 25, 2007, 10:59 PM // 22:59

No we won't

Ghengis Kwell · Jul 25, 2007, 11:08 PM // 23:08

No we won't

Diddy bow · Jul 25, 2007, 11:31 PM // 23:31

Anything max i think +20% hex is "perfect" as far as im concerned anything from there is just up to opinion. I dont like the usage of "perfect" to describe a 15^50. As for a req 7 +15 uncon, well i dont think "perfect" deos it justice.

Griff Mon · Jul 26, 2007, 03:47 AM // 03:47

It is all very relative to your needs and builds. Example, a necro MM and necro SS would be two different sets of weapons on the same character each set custom tailored to the specific needs of the casters particular role.

Do you need a lot energy to get a bunch of high cost spells off quickly and wait for the Soul Reaping to get recharged? Or do you feel you are more effective with lower energy but a faster recharge? It all depends on what works best for you.

VanDamselx · Jul 26, 2007, 03:55 AM // 03:55

I understand the whole based on your needs and what you're looking for, but I'll explain what happened today while I was trading.

Me: WTS Req 9 Perfect Sephis Axe- 50k oBO
Person: Can I see?
Me: Sure
Person: haha that's not perfect
Me: Yes it is, its stats are max
Person: No, perfect is 15^50 Health +30 Sundering 20/20
Me: Maybe for you, but not for everyone
Person: What you should say is perfect stats, not that it's perfect
Me: Ignore

To me, there was honestly no difference in what this person was telling me. I just wanted your guys' opinions since most of yous are the GW population that I consider to have some brains =]

Lotrfish · Jul 26, 2007, 04:07 AM // 04:07

You were right, he was wrong. 15^50 is not always the best if you have a stance or enchantment always up, etc. +5 al is a lot of times better than +30 health and the other suffixes have their uses too. And Vampiric>Sundering. Zealous is also very useful. There can't be one perfect weapon mod set up because each build requires different mods. And I don't know why anyone would use sundering in their version of "perfect" when vampiric is clearly better.

Ulivious The Reaper · Jul 26, 2007, 04:22 AM // 04:22

My Requirement 11 Elonian gladius thats 15 -10 armor (while attacking) 3:1 vampiric and +30 health is the ONLY sword I'll ever need, its what I consider perfect. But the general consensus agrees that req 8 15^50 20/20 (good on axes not so much swords) +30 health is the best idea for a weapon

Darkobra · Jul 26, 2007, 04:38 AM // 04:38

A perfect sword, in my eyes, is one that looks good and can be fully modded. That way I can make it what I want and ignore the screaming 13 year old fanboys telling me otherwise.

Jul 25, 2007, 09:23 PM // 21:23	#1
VanDamselx Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Buffalo, NY Guild: [TTBH]	Question on what you consider to be "perfect" When it comes to weapons what do you consider "perfect"? Is it 15^50 Health +30 Sundering 20/20 or is it something with a max inherent mod with max mods? I am just curious because I had a bit of a disagreement with someone.

Jul 25, 2007, 10:45 PM // 22:45	#5
Stormlord Alex Grotto Attendant Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Beyond the Forest of Doom, past the Cavern of Agony... on Kitten & Puppy Island Guild: Soul of Melandru [sOm] Profession: W/E	I consider perfection to be a clean headshot and a perfectly timed active reload. Oh... you mean in GW? Whatever I need for my build. The masses may consider 20/20 15^50 +30 'perfect', but the masses are mending wammos as well... Last edited by Stormlord Alex; Jul 25, 2007 at 10:49 PM // 22:49..

Jul 25, 2007, 10:47 PM // 22:47	#6
Malice Black Site Legend Join Date: Oct 2005	In trade terms, this is perfect: Max damage Req7 (lowest req with max dmg available) 15% no negative condition However, req7 no negs don't exist to my knowledge. Closet available is a req8, which is customized on a dead account. Anything besides what is stated above is sub-par and totally beyond the reaches of most GW players as such items would hit 10-15 million. Most your average players would consider this perfect req8 15^50 20/20 +30hp Of course there is those that will disagree with me, some don't care about stats, some will disagree just for the sake of arguing etc __________________ Old Skool '05

Jul 25, 2007, 09:39 PM // 21:39	#2
Commander Ryker Site Contributor Join Date: Jun 2005 Profession: R/	I think pretty much everyone has a different idea about perfect and it also depends on the weapon. What's perfect on a sword won't be on a bow and so on.

Jul 25, 2007, 10:28 PM // 22:28	#3
jrk247 Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: Twenty Gold For Mountain Troll [Tusk]	Well perfect weapons are generally req. 9 (or less) 15^50 20/20 +30, but there are "perfect" caster weapons where the req. doesn't matter Ex: req. 7-13 +5 energy +20% enchantments. So if it's a normal weapon you are trying to sell, req. 9 15^50 20/20 +30 is perfect, even though sundering sucks and people know it they still sell weapons with it (I guess it's just a bad habit). IMO any req. (as long as I meet it) and 15^50 has me sold on a weapon. +30 isn't that hard to buy and the only thing it's pricey on is swords and swords suck so . And sundering is just crap unless it's on something like a horn bow.

Jul 25, 2007, 10:41 PM // 22:41	#4
Mournblade Furnace Stoker Join Date: May 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Guild: Dawn Treaders [DAWN] Profession: W/Mo	If you're talking about selling something, then 'perfect' is what everyone has explained - highest stats and lowest req you can get on the item. If you are talking about perfect in a useage situation, then perfect depends on the situation.

Jul 25, 2007, 10:59 PM // 22:59	#7
Ghengis Kwell Baby Maker Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Guild: Sent Fromhell Profession: D/W	No we won't

Jul 25, 2007, 11:08 PM // 23:08	#8
Ghengis Kwell Baby Maker Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Guild: Sent Fromhell Profession: D/W	No we won't

Jul 25, 2007, 11:31 PM // 23:31	#9
Diddy bow Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Jawsome!!!!!!!!!!! Guild: looking for one :p Profession: A/D	Anything max i think +20% hex is "perfect" as far as im concerned anything from there is just up to opinion. I dont like the usage of "perfect" to describe a 15^50. As for a req 7 +15 uncon, well i dont think "perfect" deos it justice.

Jul 26, 2007, 03:47 AM // 03:47	#10
Griff Mon Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: In the Elfen Forests of Washington State Guild: Damage Radius Profession: N/	It is all very relative to your needs and builds. Example, a necro MM and necro SS would be two different sets of weapons on the same character each set custom tailored to the specific needs of the casters particular role. Do you need a lot energy to get a bunch of high cost spells off quickly and wait for the Soul Reaping to get recharged? Or do you feel you are more effective with lower energy but a faster recharge? It all depends on what works best for you.

Jul 26, 2007, 03:55 AM // 03:55	#11
VanDamselx Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Buffalo, NY Guild: [TTBH]	I understand the whole based on your needs and what you're looking for, but I'll explain what happened today while I was trading. Me: WTS Req 9 Perfect Sephis Axe- 50k oBO Person: Can I see? Me: Sure Person: haha that's not perfect Me: Yes it is, its stats are max Person: No, perfect is 15^50 Health +30 Sundering 20/20 Me: Maybe for you, but not for everyone Person: What you should say is perfect stats, not that it's perfect Me: Ignore To me, there was honestly no difference in what this person was telling me. I just wanted your guys' opinions since most of yous are the GW population that I consider to have some brains =]

Jul 26, 2007, 04:07 AM // 04:07	#12
Lotrfish Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: 1337ville, California Guild: Generic Name [Tag] Profession: R/	You were right, he was wrong. 15^50 is not always the best if you have a stance or enchantment always up, etc. +5 al is a lot of times better than +30 health and the other suffixes have their uses too. And Vampiric>Sundering. Zealous is also very useful. There can't be one perfect weapon mod set up because each build requires different mods. And I don't know why anyone would use sundering in their version of "perfect" when vampiric is clearly better.

Jul 26, 2007, 04:22 AM // 04:22	#13
Ulivious The Reaper Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2006 Guild: The Shadowed Assassins Profession: W/Mo	My Requirement 11 Elonian gladius thats 15 -10 armor (while attacking) 3:1 vampiric and +30 health is the ONLY sword I'll ever need, its what I consider perfect. But the general consensus agrees that req 8 15^50 20/20 (good on axes not so much swords) +30 health is the best idea for a weapon

Jul 26, 2007, 04:38 AM // 04:38	#14
Darkobra Forge Runner Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Scotland Guild: Type like an idiot, I'll treat you like an idiot Profession: E/Me	A perfect sword, in my eyes, is one that looks good and can be fully modded. That way I can make it what I want and ignore the screaming 13 year old fanboys telling me otherwise.